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3. What is your name?
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Ian Bishop
5. On whose behalf are you making this submission?
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6. What is your organisation?
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Ian Bishop Consultants
7. Which best describes your industry sector?
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Building Commercial
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Building Residential
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Building Commercial and Residential
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8. Please select your state or territory
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9. If you work in the building industry, in which state or territory do you undertake the most work?
which state or territory do you undertake the most work?
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NA - I do not work in the building industry
Proposed approach
10. Do you agree the risk based model is the correct approach to identify the need for independent third party reviews?
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11. What are your views on the terminology proposed for an Independent third party review?
Views on Independent third party review
Agreed
12. What are your views on the terminology proposed for an Independent third party reviewer?
Views on the terminology proposed for an Independent third party reviewer
Agreed
Risk levels
13. The Discussion Paper proposes structural and fire safety review is mandated for buildings with a low to very high building complexity (BC) levels and must be reviewed by an independent third-party reviewer. What elements of the design do you believe must be reviewed by an independent third-party reviewer for each BC level?
| Structural design Low Checkbox: Checked Low | Structural design Medium Checkbox: Checked Medium | Structural design High Checkbox: Checked High | Structural design Very high Checkbox: Checked Very high |
| Fire safety design Low Checkbox: Checked Low | Fire safety design Medium Checkbox: Checked Medium | Fire safety design High Checkbox: Checked High | Fire safety design Very high Checkbox: Checked Very high |
| Disability access design Low Checkbox: Checked Low | Disability access design Medium Checkbox: Checked Medium | Disability access design High Checkbox: Checked High | Disability access design Very high Checkbox: Checked Very high |
| Façade design Low Checkbox: Checked Low | Façade design Medium Checkbox: Checked Medium | Façade design High Checkbox: Checked High | Façade design Very high Checkbox: Checked Very high |
| Energy Efficiency design Low Checkbox: Checked Low | Energy Efficiency design Medium Checkbox: Checked Medium | Energy Efficiency design High Checkbox: Checked High | Energy Efficiency design Very high Checkbox: Checked Very high |
14. Do you agree that independent structural and fire safety designers must conduct the structural and fire safety reviews for all building complexity (BC) levels? Choose ALL appropriate practitioners that are acceptable for independent reviews for the corresponding BC level.
| Independent Fire Safety Designer Low Checkbox: Checked Low | Independent Fire Safety Designer Medium Checkbox: Checked Medium | Independent Fire Safety Designer High Checkbox: Checked High | Independent Fire Safety Designer Very high Checkbox: Checked Very high |
| Independent Structural Designer Low Checkbox: Checked Low | Independent Structural Designer Medium Checkbox: Checked Medium | Independent Structural Designer High Checkbox: Checked High | Independent Structural Designer Very high Checkbox: Checked Very high |
| Lead Structural Designer who was involved in the structural design Low Checkbox: Checked Low | Lead Structural Designer who was involved in the structural design Medium Checkbox: Not checked Medium | Lead Structural Designer who was involved in the structural design High Checkbox: Not checked High | Lead Structural Designer who was involved in the structural design Very high Checkbox: Not checked Very high |
| Lead Fire Safety Designer who was involved in the fire systems design Low Checkbox: Checked Low | Lead Fire Safety Designer who was involved in the fire systems design Medium Checkbox: Not checked Medium | Lead Fire Safety Designer who was involved in the fire systems design High Checkbox: Not checked High | Lead Fire Safety Designer who was involved in the fire systems design Very high Checkbox: Not checked Very high |
| Fire Authorities Low Checkbox: Checked Low | Fire Authorities Medium Checkbox: Checked Medium | Fire Authorities High Checkbox: Checked High | Fire Authorities Very high Checkbox: Checked Very high |
15. The Discussion Paper identifies three mechanisms for sourcing independent reviewers for the different building complexity (BC) levels. Which option would work best and do you agree with the options provided? If you have alternative mechanisms in mind, let us know in the text box below (include the appropriate BC levels).
| Registered list of individual practitioners Low Checkbox: Checked Low | Registered list of individual practitioners Medium Checkbox: Checked Medium | Registered list of individual practitioners High Checkbox: Not checked High | Registered list of individual practitioners Very High Checkbox: Not checked Very High |
| Panel of experts Low Checkbox: Checked Low | Panel of experts Medium Checkbox: Checked Medium | Panel of experts High Checkbox: Checked High | Panel of experts Very High Checkbox: Checked Very High |
| Government appointed list of practitioners Low Checkbox: Not checked Low | Government appointed list of practitioners Medium Checkbox: Not checked Medium | Government appointed list of practitioners High Checkbox: Checked High | Government appointed list of practitioners Very High Checkbox: Checked Very High |
Third Party Reviewers
16. Do you agree the independent third-party reviewer can exercise judgement to determine the extent of the review or should this be prescribed for various BC levels?
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17. Does the proposed approach address all the issues related to independent third-party reviews? If your answer is No/Maybe, what items are missing to ensure independent third-party review of building design is compliant with the NCC and meets the intent of BCR Recommendation 17?
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What items are missing to ensure independent third party reviews are compliant and meets the requirements of BCR Recommendation 17?
I was in agreement generally with the paper until I came across the last sentence on page 19 which put forward that the fee for independent review should be market driven. In my view having independent reviews subject to market fees will reinforce the issues that have resulted in the problems that have appeared in recent years. Fee levels in structural engineering has been a race to the bottom with documentation levels being tailored to suit the low fees.
I suggest the fees for independent reviews should be a fixed percentage of the building cost and selection of the reviewer should be by merit and not by fee.
I suggest the fees for independent reviews should be a fixed percentage of the building cost and selection of the reviewer should be by merit and not by fee.
18. Do you have any further comments?
Further comments
No